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[Jsomeone]

More than 500 Sydney prostitutes are offering unprotected sex to clients in brothels | thetelegraph.com.au

MORE than 500 Sydney prostitutes are offering unprotected sex to clients, raising fears they may be contributing to the spread of sexually transmissible infections.
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In true beat up fashion they don't explicitly say what unprotected sex is happening, though it appears it is BBBJ


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MORE than 500 Sydney prostitutes are offering unprotected sex to clients, raising fears they may be contributing to the spread of sexually transmissible infections.

The trend, revealed in a survey of online advertising and adult forums, has alarmed some brothels which want any commercial sexual activity without a condom to be illegal.

The study by sex industry consulting firm Brothel Busters has found 507 sex workers are offering oral sex with no protection at both legal and illegal premises in Sydney.

About two-thirds were identified as Asian, while one-third were Caucasian.

The manager of legal Edgecliff brothel Liaisons - who identifies herself as "Helen" - said laws governing unsafe sex practices at commercial premises needed toughening.
It should be illegal because you've got to practise safe sex. If you're not, you can spread disease and you're putting sex workers and clients at risk," she said.

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"What should my girls do to protect themselves? It's not like clients walk in with a health certificate.

"The only way we can combat that is with compulsory use of condoms."

NSW has no legislation specifically banning unsafe sex. There are only guidelines issued by NSW Health and WorkCover recommending the use of condoms.

The laws in other states are much tougher. In Victoria and Queensland, for example, it is against the law for prostitutes and owners of licensed premises to offer unsafe oral sex.

The differences have prompted Brothel Busters boss Chris Seage to argue that NSW should fall into line with Victoria and Queensland.

Mr Seage said he was concerned the spread of disease could rise if the level of unsafe oral sex was left unregulated.

"The 507 prostitutes identified could be seeing up to 10 clients a week, which means up to 5000 Sydney men each week could be exposed to STIs," he said. "The question is, are these punters then going home to their wives and girlfriends and potentially spreading the problem further?"

Professor Basil Donovan, head of the sexual health program at the federal government-funded Kirby Institute, said he was "concerned" about evidence of a rise in unsafe oral sex.

But he argued that making unsafe oral sex illegal was no silver bullet: "No law will ever stop unprotected sex. (But) I would like to see WorkCover inspectors conducting investigations regularly."

Another brothel owner, Frank James of Black Cat at Surry Hills, said his own investigations had found "one place in Crows Nest that's basically a $2 shop - it's not even a sex premises - but out the back anything goes."

Mr Donovan said council regulations meant that some premises were operating "under the radar".

[Brad]

Anyone know where the $2 shop in Crows Nest is?

[andy-mac]

$2 BBBJs I'll never leave

[EvilGenius]

"The 507 prostitutes identified could be seeing up to 10 clients a week, which means up to 5000 Sydney men each week could be exposed to STIs," he said.

10 clients per WEEK ????- errr, I think he (Mr Seage) has his numbers a little wrong there ..... Still Nick Tabakoff and Chris Seage have been a little quiet of late.

Why am I not surprised to see the names of Nick Tabakoff as the writer and Chris Seage as the "industry expert" in this story. They have been following a similar theme for some time. The Adult Business Association is missing this time though. Now is there any medical evidence ... I see none mentioned in the story. A comparison of STD rates in NSW and Victoria (where BBBJ doesn't happen because it is illegal ) might be illuminating. This seems to be just reinforcement of the "straw man" of the "brothel problem" so that Barry's new laws will be seen to be a "Good Thing" when they arrive.

There was a similar article in the Herald six months ago see here

[Megan Delaney]

Yeah if BBBJs only get you ten clients per week in a parlour, better to just stay with condoms!

[Lonestartexan]

Yeah if BBBJs only get you ten clients per week in a parlour, better to just stay with condoms!

Lolz! Like!

[Brad]

From Crikey today. Unfortunately no mention of where the $2 shop is

Sydney: where people play Russian roulette with their health

Chris Seage, tax consultant, former ATO audit manager and owner of Brothel Busters, writes:

The city of Sydney’s s-x industry is awash with unsafe s-x practices and no one is doing a thing about it. Nick Tabakoff revealed in today’s Daily Telegraph that 507 prostitutes are providing oral s-x without a condom in defiance of NSW Health and WorkCover guidelines recommending the use of condoms in all commercial s-x engagements and it may lead to an increase in s-xually transmissible infections (STIs).

I undertook the research because I have been concerned for some time that the right message was not being provided to the NSW government about the state of safe s-x practices in the industry. In October last year the taxpayer funded S-x Workers Outreach Project (SWOP) put out a press release stating: “Research by the UNSW’s Kirby Institute found that 99% of commercial s-x encounters in 2010 involved a condom and that STI rates among s-x workers are at a historic low — lower in fact than in comparable groups of s-xually active young women in the general community.”

How on earth can they make a claim that 99% of commercial s-x encounters involved a condom when there are at least 507 prostitutes providing oral s-x without a condom? According to some legal brothel owners the average service provider works between two to four shifts a week and sees three to five clients a shift. On that basis let’s say a s-x worker would see at least 10 clients per week. Factor in the 507 prostitutes that are providing unprotected oral s-x and you have more than 5000 Sydney men each week being potentially exposed to STIs.

Are these punters then going home to their wives and girlfriends and potentially spreading the problem further?

I found the 507 recalcitrant prostitutes advertising on the internet. The advertising is much more explicit on the internet than in a family-friendly newspaper. Just have a look at the website of Australia’s most notorious prostitute Madison Ashton who trades as Christine McQueen/CMQ Escorts (the former mistress of industry baron Richard Pratt) where she leaves no one confused as to what service her and her employees provides to clients. Luscious Leah is another popular prostitute who attracts punters with her explicit advertising.

The results of the research show that two thirds of the prostitutes are Asian while one third is Caucasian. I split them into six groups:

Independent private working lady Caucasian: 64 workers in this category
Independent private working lady Asian: four workers in this category
Escort Agency Caucasian: 45 workers in this category
Escort Agency Asian: 57 workers in this category
Brothel Caucasian: 60 workers in this category
Brothel Asian: 277 workers in this category

While NSW have guidelines for the use of condoms in the s-x industry, Victoria and Queensland have strict legislation to ensure the safety of workers and clients. Victoria has the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2008 while Queensland has the Prostitution Act 1999. It is against the law for prostitutes and owners of licensed premises to offer unsafe oral s-x. The O’Farrell government need to get with the program and bring NSW into line with the other states to make it safer for prostitutes and their clients.

SWOP also need to be more proactive in seeking out those who are flouting the guidelines and take steps to educate those prostitutes, brothels and escort agencies about the dangers of unsafe s-x. If education doesn’t work then they should consider bringing charges against prostitutes and owners of establishments under the OH&S Act until the government change the law.

[Megan Delaney]

Omg I have not laughed so hard in my life.

[Megan Delaney]

Lolz! Like!

lets be honest if you're a reasonably attractive woman and does half hours and you can't pull ten clients in three to fve shifts, you need some marketing help or a image make over. Perhaps paint your nails, a push up bra, new photos, new advertising... I can't speak for Asians but for Aussies it's true, though it is an industry mentality in Sydney that if you put condoms on you miss out or if you take them off youll make yourself rich. Clearly not, thanks for your research!

[Jsomeone]

It's an interesting omission by Chris Seage.
I am sure he is aware that on average WL see more than 2 clients a day.

As a spokesman for the legit CBJ only establishments, he has to avoid too much collateral damage.

Fully Sensationalized it would be more than 500 WL with 40 clients a week, ramping the numbers up works for the standard telegraph format but off putting to a punter to any establishment.

Another problem with the inflated figures is where is the pandemic? Even realistic figures leaves one asking so where is this pandemic of STD;s?

Additionally the Tax department is ever lurking for some truthful figures from WLs and legit establishments.

Averaged across nights and establishments academics estimate 4 (FS) clients per shift is the average.

He has also most definitely under counted the BBBJ providers, those that don't advertise it, the SWL/SWLB no one on review sites visit (or review or remember it to review), the 'dont tell anyone' BBBJ's in massage joints......
Also forum members are a subset of punters, I suspect encounters SWL and SWLB are under represented in reports.

Chris Seage. seems to have one single purpose, and that is to lobby for legislation that suits his employers, he is after all a lobbyist.

To a cynic it appears a cartel is trying to legislate that adult services cannot be better than they the cartel are capable of providing. In essence they are asking for protection from better providers. You could call it trade protection from Asian imports, however 30% of BBBJ providers are domestically sourced.

Personally I believe they are going about this the wrong way.
Why not run with the safety of CBJ and WL choice as a brand?
Here is a by line for them for free
Why take risks with your Marriage? At Squeaky cleans we have you covered all the way"

WL who are adamant and publicly no BBBJ! Not ever! Not even a peck on the shaft, still make a good living.

[Jsomeone]

From Crikey today.
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I wonder is she gets more calls after the article?

[BadAussieBoy]

Well for me an article that doesn't have a FlyBoy quote isn't worth the paper it is printed on!

[hard]

We all know Teague is a dick but what is now abundantly clear is that he doesn’t get his figures from trawling this forum! From just a handful of establishments regularly reported here, there would be many times his “researched” number of WLs practising “unsafe sex” i.e. BBBJ

There continues to be absolutely no evidence of a rise in STIs as a result of this practice. Further, at my recent checkup at Clinic16 (which – as an aficionado of BBBJ but a practitioner of safe FS – I only visited out of casual prudence), the nurse basically said the risk to a bloke from a bbbj is virtually negligible. By extrapolation, if we blokes continue to observe covered FS, then the risk to WLs also remains extremely low. And we do know that those WLs who practise covered-only BJ invariably allow uncovered DATY. And we aren’t even mentioning DFK… Go figure.

For obvious reasons, it is almost impossible to find stats for oral-only STI. But I did find this: In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not led to any cases of HIV transmission.

Don’t get me wrong – I’m not advocating unprotected oral sex or deep kissing with a WL – even though I might enjoy both. And I’m not saying oral sex is 100% safe – we do know that HIV is less infective than other diseases by the very nature of the virus. But I am disputing Teague’s risk assertions, ifs and maybes. And before someone jumps up about IV drug users or compromised bi-sexuals using WLs and causing infection, sure – but where is the evidence in the NSW sex industry? Show me the numbers…

This latest self-promoting tirade from Teague is long on ego and short on fact. Where on earth is the evidence for his assertions? I’d suggest he is nothing more than a sex-deprived lobbyist for one (self-interested) industry body and the conservative & religious right.

[Megan Delaney]

Practicers don't worry about HIV with oral sex, more like things like HPV and clyamidia which is well documented on the rise....

Every geration has a different epidemic....youll find historically speaking it'll be the decade of HPV due to a lot of women being sexual promiscuous before HPV vaccination. We'll be seeing increases in throat cancer in nonsmokers for this very reason. It happens a lot in the wider ommunity but it'd be interesting to study the prevalence of abnormal pap smears, cervical cancer in workers, ex workers, and non workers.

Study Cites Increase in Throat Cancers Caused by HPV - NYTimes.com
Radio Australia:Pacific Beat:Story:Research argues HPV vaccine should extend to boys

[Megan Delaney]

Averaged across nights and establishments academics estimate 4 (FS) clients per shift is the average.

Personally I believe they are going about this the wrong way.
Why not run with the safety of CBJ and WL choice as a brand?
Here is a by line for them for free
Why take risks with your Marriage? At Squeaky cleans we have you covered all the way"

WL who are adamant and publicly no BBBJ! Not ever! Not even a peck on the shaft, still make a good living.

Because its not about safe sex, its about monopoloy on who can provide the sex safe or otherwise. Been plenty reviews of Liasons where BBBJs have been given. Same with Stelletos, I do believe though they have a point with Asian illegal places, they are getting out of control.

Still four jobs a day for BBBJ providers doesn't seem to me to be such a big increase, if a girl is switched on and has regulars you don't need to take those condoms off. IF you told me doing BBBJs in brothels meant you'd be only getting one to two hour jobs and be booked out three days in advance I can see how that'd work. Yes brothel girls get hour appointments, sometimes two if youre lucky, but youd be doing bbbjs to half hour guys. And parlour guysnrealky move about seeing different girls even in the same house, only takes one nasty pussy or throat and the house is infected.

Yes some informed clients get tested, but I'm telling you the majority of men just dnt get tested. Even the skanikiest of working ladies would get tested more then the average parlour man. It's not a priorty for a lot of guys. That's the reality - instead of blaming girls, look at the clients! Educate men, the men you'd think are nice quiet accountants or lawyers. These men are probably into the dirtiest sex acts imaginable.....and go home and play happy families.

No condoms equal better and more work thats never been my experience. In girls my own age group, it's always done because they think it's a compeative edge or you make more money from it private or inhouse. But in the below $350ph mark it makes no difference. What makes a difference is if you give lazy bjs; and I think some girls take the condoms off because it feels better and you've got to do less work to make it better.

Cougars I understand as they are a different generation but women in their twenties and thirties should know better.